OK so I have been working on getting a 360 right. So I have been looking for an Elite for cheap E.G Craigslist, ebay ect....I finally found out a pretty good idea. Amazon sells refurbished Xbox 360 pros with a 20 gig HD. I didn't really want an older model but discovered that they have the new jasper chip in them and an HDMI port which basically makes them and elite. The only downside is I didn't get the other 100 gigs of space on a HD I was looking for but instead got two controllers with the package. So to sum it up I got a Xbox 360 with extras (Elite basically for under $160).